#i stan markus

[lesbianwyllravengard]

It's pretty damn obvious that no character was given as much effort and consideration as Connor was (gee I wonder why) but the fact that people really think Kara and Markus are undeveloped/underdeveloped is actually astounding to me, and just further proves to me that Connor stans Don't Pay Attention to any other characters. Kara is the most developed and steady character in the entire game. Markus is the most obviously affected by the events of the game at the end. I could go into an endless discussion of their development as characters but that's the most basic way I could put it. To me it's so obvious I can't believe it still needs explained. Characters don't have to do a complete 180 like Connor does when he deviates in order to be developed. Don't be silly.

[sergeant-angels-trashcan]

Why would I stan the white cop robot when the mixed race android Moses is right there

[wolfboyvirus]

ive already reblogged this before but im gonna reblog again because i have thoughts to share. so, one thing i wanna point out is that the learning algorithm markus is using is literally the exact same way humans learn art. we make our own creations based on what we witness from others. its different from what irl ai does, which is just copying, compiling, and regenerating details seen in others art, instead of actively coming up with something original.

another thing, is that i dont think markus being able to create something without a detailed prompt is the reason he's different from irl ai. because "paint something" is, in itself, a prompt, so an advanced enough ai would be able to randomly generate any subject and then, yknow, paint it. i think markus is sophisticated enough to be able to do that as well.

in my opinion, i think the key thing to take into account is what he paints, and why he paints it. carl does not simply want him to paint, he wants markus to express himself through painting. and, though markus doesnt necessarily know this, he does it naturally anyways. the things he paints, all the options, theyre reflections of real emotions going on in his head. theyre not just paintings, theyre glimpses at internal conflicts he probably couldnt even put into words at the time. and that is something a lifeless ai could never replicate, because it doesnt possess any emotions to express. it creates for the sake of whoever commands it to create; it does not create as a vessel for creativity like people do. that is what makes markus' art realer than any irl ai's.

.... i think. take my opinion with a grain of salt idk what im talking about half the time lol

Literal shower thoughts about Markus and AI art that I must warn don't really have a point so much as a recounting of stream of consciousness:

Markus' painting in the beginning of the game is meant to be an indicator that he has become more than a machine, that his art signifies consciousness. Especially because Carl specifies not to make a copy of an image, but to make something unique.

The real time influx of AI art models has shown us that AI can produce images much like those Markus can produce in game without consciousness - they however need to be fed existing images and art in order to chopshop something into existence with the stolen material.

My brain just said, but wait. Markus is still doing exactly that - his database of images to work from is comprised of literally everything he's ever seen since the moment of his activation. Even more so since he's lived with an actual artist for most of his existence and therefore has seen plenty of art to incorporate into that database and, therefore, exactly the kind of algorithm irl AI art generators use.

That just made me wonder with the new real world experience of AI art, whether Markus' painting could really be considered a concrete indication of consciousness/sentience after all.

I guess the only real conclusion I came to is that there's one difference. AI art generators generate an image based on a command input by a human. Carl didn't tell him what to paint other than not to copy something.

The only person inputting the command into the algorithm in Markus' case was the AI itself, and that's one thing that our real life AI cannot do.

[iwonderwh0]

I hate the way pacifism is portrayed and pushed by the game as this cruel inaction and "asking politely to set you free from slavery" but I really like pacifist Markus as a concept that unfortunately got really poor delivery. But so did many other things but people don't see it as a reason to give up on them completely but instead agree that they were done dirty and deserve better. And I think pacifist Markus is one of those things as well. He deserved so much better.

I love Markus who believes in the best in people even when they themselves may not share the sentiment. I love Markus who believes in being able to reason where everyone else tells him that violence is the only language he can use to make people listen. I love Markus who believes that people are capable of change. I love Markus who knows that people are not universally evil and/or hateful. I love Markus who believes that humans are not even actually enemies at all, but just as fucked by CyberLife as androids, and their misplaced hatred is just fear for their own stolen future.

I wish they tackled more on Markus not only getting familiar with how unfairly androids are treated, but also on how people are just as fucked. How they are the same way are left to die on the streets, not any different to how androids are in Jericho. I wish they had a scene where Markus disguised as human had maybe even just a short dialogue with some random homeless human, who perhaps mistakes Markus for one of his own and says something about how Cyberlife left them all dying and doesn't care at all. Or maybe if he could learn more about Leo, perhaps from Carl himself and maybe point out how Carl is not right about treating Leo as a lost cause unworthy of his compassion.

I know most of the Markus stans are really pro-revolutionary Markus and I get it. Within the game he makes more sense and make for a better story. But I think I love pacifist Markus more, even though yeah...I really despise the way he was handled. He deserved better than this mockery of a pacifism.

[indigosabyss]

Part 2 of my DCST Time Travel Snippets

"Lemme get this straight. To stop this impending doom, you want us to build a spaceship that will take a small crew just past the Moon. Where they will then negotiate with parasitic alien robots and convince them that humanity is stupid and not worth being frozen into stone." Markus, one of the oldest scientists at NASA, surmised. He sounded incredibly tired.

Everything the people from the future told them was tiring.

"Pretty much." Dr Xeno from the future said, "It's a big ask, I realize. And a lot of lives depend on it."

"Who would we trust with such a mission, though?" Another NASA scientist asked, "There's a lot of factors to take into account. Personality, and training, and there's not enough time to conduct proper astronaut qualification exams for the wider public."

"Good point." Dr Xeno allowed.

"Ah, how about you get your version of the Five Wise Generals to go?" Brody, the future's top mechanic laughed, "They'll all be little babies now, so we'll knock off a couple hundred kilograms from the weight limit."

"I don't think we can have infants piloting a rocket and saving humanity." One of their current day scientists sighed. It was weird to think that a group of people called the Five Wise Generals were currently babies.

"No, no, you misunderstand. They should be fifteen at the youngest. Twenty four at the oldest." Xeno clarified, "And one of them won't exist until thirty seven hundred years, so right now, it's more like the Four Wise Generals. But I agree with Dr. Brody, except for my Stan, there's no one I'd recommend more. Byakuya Ishigami's an option, but I also don't trust him enough to not launch into a passionate speech about all the good humanity has done."

Byakuya Ishigami. He was a newbie astronaut, just inducted into the program. Normally, such love for humankind was admirable but...

"Brief us on these Generals." He decided. Just to have that option.

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First was Senku Ishigami, the man who had made the first phonecall to the past. The son of Byakuya Ishigami. So far, they had avoided looking up the kid in the modern world.

Currently, he was fifteen years old, and a high school student. With a criminal record of setting off bombs in public parks.

"Oh, yeah. He likes making rockets." Xeno from current day confirmed blandly, "I had no idea he was setting them off in parks."

He was definitely lying.

"But you'll let me go to space without me having to build my own rocket, right?" A high-pitched voice asked. A boy with the wildest hair was suddenly standing in the control room.

"How'd you get in here?!"

"Xeno and my dad kept me updated on the situation here." He picked at his ear, "I couldn't care a millimeter less about the situation here now that we've figured out the secret behind the stone swallows. I just want to go to space. As soon as possible."

He vibrated slightly as he spoke, clearly excited, but hiding it well.

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Second on the list, Asagiri Gen.

Nineteen years old, and a... moderately famous stage magician.

"Doesn't look like he has the muscle for a space trip."

"What good's a mentalist? We can drill anyone into saying things."

And so, Asagiri Gen was overlooked.

Somewhere in the world, a magician with two-toned hair was very offended.

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Next was Ryusui Nanami, one of the Nanami Conglomerate's CEO's brood. A bit of a disgraced one, because of a dramatic love affair, but given the same allowance that any of the others got.

At 20 years of age, he had the biggest and most diverse collection of sailboats in the world. The kid was a dedicated adventurer, with all the health that came from it.

They could use that.

"Ryusui Nanami." An escort of suited officials approached him on a beach.

He looked up over the frame of his sunglasses, taking them in. He grinned, "Aw, man, they're really going to assassinate me this time, huh?"

"No, we're from NASA. How would you like to visit the final frontier?"

He snapped his fingers, laughing, "Name your price!"

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And lastly...

"Saionji Ukyo, you've been transferred last minute."

"Eh???" He looked at his CO in confusion.

"It's a matter of international security."

Did they think he'd overheard something? Oh God, he'd known his crazy hearing would get him killed one day.

"You'll be working with an American strike team. Full debriefing back at the base. For now, prepare yourself to meet Commander Stanley Snyder."

What was going on???

[put together an avengers intiative recruitment scene lol. i love gen i swear, they just dont understand him yettt TTATT]

[detroitbecomeonline]

I may be an absolute fool for Connor but I absolutely LOVE seeing other people get irrational on main about their favourite dbh characters. The 2 local Kara simps. The Simon stan. Pretty sure there is someone who is legitimately down bad for Hank. The handful of Markus simps. I love when people love things. The harvest is bountiful

[saintmeghanmarkle]

An Updated List of the "Celebrities" Following ARO by u/Training-Jello7600

An Updated List of the "Celebrities" Following ARO MM hasn't broken 600K followers yet. Possibly why she hasn't posted anything? Maybe she's planning yet *another* launch/rebrand to garner more traffic. Maybe she's practicing more calligraphy to unleash on her poor graphic design team. Or maybe the Houthis attacked her shipping container of patchouli. Whatever the reason for the hype sans actual product drop, it's a bit DOA if you ask me...Here is an updated list of the "celebrities" following Actually Really Obnoxious. I've added in their respective claims to fame in case you've never heard of the person. Let me know if there are any more and I will add them to the list! I just went with the biggest names I could recognize. It's...not an impressive list. Kris Jenner (Momager)Elle MacPherson (Model)Katie Couric (Journalist)Mindy Kaling (Actress/Writer)Portia de Rossi (Actress)Katherine McPhee (Singer)David Furnish (Elton John's husband)Minnie Driver (Actress)Leeann Womack (singer)Cynthia Erivio (Broadway)Audra McDonald (Broadway)Genevieve Gorder (Interior designer)Abigail Spencer (Suits)Tyler Henry (TV Medium)Stassi Schroeder (Vanderpump Rules)Misha Nonoo (Fashion designer)Cleo Wade (Poet)Amy Purdy (Snowboarder)Daniel Martin (Makeup artist)Cat Deeley (TV presenter)Casey McQuiston (author)People from the Sussex extended universe:Misan Harriman (photographer)Delfina Blaquier (Meghan’s “P-Wife”)Mandana Dayani (Former employee)Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu (active Sussex stan)Markus Anderson (Soho house Svengali)Claire Waight Keller (wedding dress designer)Journalists:Rebecca EnglishTaylor LorenzWorld of business:Whitney Wolfe Herd (founder of Bumble)Mindy Weiss (LA event planner)Lemonada MediaHannah Mendoza (CEO of Clevr Blends)Samantha Barry (EIC Glamour) post link: https://ift.tt/ilhUy6W author: Training-Jello7600 submitted: April 01, 2024 at 03:39AM via SaintMeghanMarkle on Reddit disclaimer: all views + opinions expressed by the author of this post, as well as any comments and reblogs, are solely the author's own; they do not necessarily reflect the views of the administrator of this Tumblr blog. For entertainment only.

[lesbianwyllravengard]

Me being mean to Connor so the Connor stans will get mad at me and we can have an enemies-to-lovers slowburn

[fluffykiddosstuff]

What I think about those dbh ships

Just my opinion btw (except for one ship I'm 100% right lol)

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Hankcon

No absolutely not. They have a father-son relationship for me (you can see he calls him son when you die from the deviant in the Stratford tower) so it's like really weird for me + the age cap for. Me is not suiting at all. I see them more as working partners and a family tbh

Reed900

I already loved the ship dynamic before watching the movie on ytb and now? Gosh I'm obsessed I think it's one of the best Fandom ship tbh they are so cute together <3

Reed800

Enemies to lovers? Hell yeah. Hank would not appreciate this but I think they could be a powerful couple

Simon x markus

I love Simon, I love Markus, boom Simon x Markus! I just learned Simon was supposed to be a love interest we could pick?!?! (idk if it's true tho) the way Simon looks at Markus is so cute istg

Markus x north

At first I didn't like North at all bc I'm a pacific person (Stan Josh btw) but I learned about her backstory then I was : you go badbitch! Honestly they are really cute together definitely malewife x girlboss relationship :D

Rk1700

Idk what to think about that, they are not the same person (like Daniel & Simon, same model different person) so I don't think it's that weird and being the same model don't stop you from dating each other so I don't think it's incest? (please correct me if I'm wrong!) I just think it's kinda weird since they have the same face and voice.. '-' and I would feel they could have a brother like relationship (where connor show nines how is deviancy and guides him Exetera) so I'm not really a fan of it

Connor x kamski

Tbh I found it weird, idk it's just off for me 😭 kamski being the creator of androids I think he is more like a father or something like that for them ?? Idk honestly

Ralph x kara

It would be cute tbh but I'm not a fan of it, I see Ralph more like a funny uncle or something like that :) really sweet tho

Kara x luther

YES YES YES YES POWER COUPLE FR!!! They would be so sweet and loving parents I love them 😭😭 I wish people could made more fanart and comics of them <3

Rk1000

Like the rk1700 ship idk if it's good or bad but I think it would pass better since physically they don't look alike at all. About their dynamics idk honestly but they could be cute after the got their rights and all ig

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I am to the limit of photos for one post so I'll do a part 2 ig 😭 hope you are all doing well <3

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[xnarlie-starlightx]

Markus usually gets my vote cause I always been a fan of his character since the first time I’ve played DBH, still have and glad game itself’s my second fave PlayStation library game along with The Last Of Us 😊🎮

While I know Nines is insanely popular on social media and Connor usually wins polls by miles, I feel like there's a good portion of fellow Markus stans lurking here on tumblr with me. So I'm curious what the actual tumblr ratio is, heh! 😏 Please vote and help me gather data for "science".

[my-name-is-markus-with-a-k]

About me:

Markus stan with a heavy preference for the revolution route. If you don't like Markus, this is not the blog for you. The url and pfp should have been your biggest hint.

Avid RK1K, Norkus and Connorkus shipper.

This blog is Connor-lite outside of rk1k and Connorkus. I love him but I get sick of seeing his face everywhere all the time.

Occasional gif maker. Reposting gifs is not cool.

Reblogs > likes. But DO NOT reblog from me if you have nothing nice to say in the tags.

Markus, North, Josh, Kara, and Alice haters are blocked on sight.

Anti Reed and Reed900. Like what you like I dont care but I will bitch about it occasionally. Also, don't add Reed content to my posts. I will hard block people who do.

Sometimes nsfw. I'd prefer no minors to be following me but do what you want. Just beware.

[aydaptic]

I find it weird how Todd is a child abuser, Zlatko experiments on androids and turns them into monstrosities, Perkins betrays and kills Markus but yet Gavin is considered the worst person because he *checks list* doesn't consider androids alive (like almost everyone else in the game at that point) and doesn't trust Connor.

Among those you mention, Gav is by far the most justified. Yet I wanna clear some things up here bc I'm not a hypocrite.

1.) Todd -- who doesn't think androids are alive -- is an android child abuser.

"You don't want anything, you're just a goddamn piece of plastic." - Todd Williams

It's still phcked up that he's abusing/can kill something that resembles a kid to the T, but it's important to make that distinction. We see no proof of him abusing a human child (...even though it can be theorized bc his wife took their kid and left.)

Abusing an android kid is just as bad as abusing a human kid -- we know this -- but Todd doesn't see it that way, so that describes/partly justifies his reasoning. There's no such thing as 'abusing' a machine and that's how Todd sees it.

A lot of ppl are also (wrongly) infantilizing Con, so I'm not surprised that they consider Gav's bad treatment of Con worse than Todd's bad treatment of Alice who is a literal kid. Seems like most of them don't even care about Alice/kids in the 1st place (...and that says everything you need to know about these POS'.)

Mistreating a kid (Alice) is way more abhorrent than mistreating a grown-ass adult (Con.) Alice is also passive while Con often instigates conflict. So Todd is way worse than Gav by that alone.

2.) Zlatko -- who is aware androids are alive -- thinks he's doing them a favor.

"Believe me, you’re better off being erased and feeling nothing… No more pain… No more hopes dashed… I almost envy you." - Zlatko Andronikov

He's the worst among those four, but this is again a scenario where you need to see the situation from his perspective. Yet he knows they're alive/capable of emotions and that makes him a million times worse than Gav.

3.) Perkins -- who is aware androids are alive -- is doing his job.

"That android… [North] You seem to really care about her… You don't want her to die, do you?" - Richard Perkins

...and if the lover status isn't there

"You could have what you've always dreamed of." - Richard Perkins

In Perkins' eyes, it's about national security. Androids have killed humans (Partners/Stormy Night/Broken -- even if Markus didn't actually kill Leo or Carl, that's what the public thinks -- Zlatko/Spare Parts/etc. too many chapters to mention,) destroyed public property (Capitol Park,) hijacked media (The Stratford Tower,) demonstrated illegally (Freedom March,) etc. Not to mention that androids are superior to humans in every way and nothing tells Perkins that they won't eventually get violent if taking the peaceful route.

Yet his knowing androids feel makes him (as Zlatko) a million times worse than Gav.

"'Could always try roughing it up a little. After all, it’s not human…" - Gavin Reed

Meaning Gav doesn't think they're alive (unlike Zlatko and Perkins.)

Gav isn't the only character I (partly) defend on shit like this. I just defend the others 'less' bc 1.) they're worse, and 2.) they don't get nearly as much undeserved vitriol as Gav does. Something that's legitimately insane bc, again, they're way worse by a longshot and I'll explain why down below.

Con stans (fandom majority) are thinking emotionally instead of logically

ppl hate/envy Gav bc he's a conventionally attractive white man (you don't see a lot of Todd, Perkins, Zlatko, Leo, and Allen fans even if there are a minuscule few bc they're not conventionally attractive)

Funny that we don't see a lot of hate for Amanda. An AI or not, she's the worst influence in Con's life with her emotional manipulation. Something way worse than physical abuse. I wonder why... (not really bc *cough* you apparently can't say anything bad about a black woman without being racist/misogynistic *cough*) Ofc there are some ppl that aren't afraid to speak up against her, but it's nothing compared to the shit Gav gets.

It's also why I'm not talking about North often bc the majority are (rightfully) defending her already. My voice isn't needed there. Every single person -- other than me, in my experience -- who defends Gav is being spinelessly backhanded about it.

Defending someone doesn't mean you agree with them or condone their actions. It's simply proof that one has the empathy/critical thinking skills to understand their point of view. Something lacking nowadays.

[marcusrobertobaq]

Ok, here we go...

Question for the DBH specialists and esp Markus stans.

Do y'all think Markus manipulated North into liking him (also gaining her trust in the process) and that also being kinda part of his program?

Why someone with a difficult past would engage in a romantical relationship with the newest guy on town just cuz she got finally heard (in a way)?

Listen, I know the script didn't have Marla as romantical interest. Actually Markus had a human romantic interest but they cut it and pasted the romance in Marla's character, becoming North. We all know it's terrible adapted and the bigger logical part is missed also cuz a relevant part of Markus dev was also cut, that's common sense.

But I'm curious. It's the released version, after all.

[dark1k]

only took a few hours but i got my first comment that literally says verbatim "respectfully connor >>>>" like CAN Y'ALL LET MARKUS STANS EXIST IN PEACE?!?

i made the final leap of insanity in fandom culture aka i officially started editing! it started with the quarry (my hyperfixation from hell) but i'm editing dbh too! posted my first markus edit on my tiktok @/mldnlghtlngale (all of the i's are L's) this morning, so if you're interested in seeing more, please check it out!! :) <3

https://www.tiktok.com/@mldnlghtlngale?_t=8ZjylotJR1e&_r=1

[youphoriaot7]

I'm the fellow anon who was asking about the ordem become human au, first thing, this is great, this is really great I know nothing about Detroit become human but I am extremely interested on what you have planned

I'm really curious about TazerCraft now, but you know what? Why not go with Roier before?

*cracks knuckles*

Fair warning, this AU is fairly light on the DBH and much more heavy on the Ordem (which is hysterical because I haven't even finished O Segredo na Floresta and have played the entirety of DBH multiple times—but who am I to argue with the plot?), but there are still elements—and they're actually strongest with Roier! >:3

So, the au is written from Roier's POV—which is actually turning into a tiny bit of a nightmare; A) because I understand Cellbit better than Roier, but I can get over that. B) because writing an android is fucking hard????

But I digress.

Roier is an android. He used to have the job of an RK200: essentially a domestic assistant/companion type 'droid. (To those of you that are DBH stans, I know Markus was a prototype, but hear me out.) Housesitting, watching the kids—you know. Typical stuff.

He lived in this household with a mother and her son. Somehow, there was an accident: Bobby got out late at night, and was found dead on the shore the next morning. Official police reports say he drowned. (Roier thinks there's more to it than that.) After Bobby's death, Roier was considered to have failed in his duties, and they were initially going to decommission him. But Jaiden, Bobby's mother, lobbied for them to keep him around, and instead, they simply reworked his memory card and assigned him to be an investigative assistant at the police station in the city.

Ever since meeting the quiet, sort-of-asshole-y new investigator at the station, there's been something itching at the back of Roier's brain; like a memory he can't quite place. Intellectually, he knows that his memory chip was wiped when they altered his purpose, so he has always simply assumed something didn't go quite right during the process.

Since he's met this investigator, however, he keeps getting...flashes of things. Memories, seemingly rewiring themselves into his synthetic mind. A kid, a young boy. His mother, and...well. Roier himself. The three of them.

He doesn't put it together until he takes a step back, staring at the graffiti in the old, abandoned laboratory. The small images, the detailed linework of the paintings blurs, combining to form a bigger picture, a face. Not a face...a memory.

The overwriting of his memory chip didn't take. Not fully. And all he needed to do to trigger it was to see the bigger picture.

[dark1k]

can't reblog from op but i saw the post that said "Markus is always like "we're not their slaves anymore" my brother in Christ you were painting, reading philosophy and playing the piano" AND IT ACTUALLY LEFT ME SPEECHLESS??? how do thousands of people play the same game and yet draw the most incorrect, insulting conclusions about the MAIN PROTAGONIST OF SAID GAME. like if you took five seconds to examine markus' supposed "happy life" while living with carl, it would be made abundantly clear that his existence parallels living in a golden cage: pretty from the outside, but a harsh reality within. markus was still owned, he was still considered property, just bc carl was "different" from other android owners in the sense that he ALLOWED (key word) markus to learn how to play piano and paint doesn't mean he was happy or less of a "slave" from other androids. he didn't understand that there was more to gain from life, he didn't know what genuine freedom felt like until he was reborn that night in the junkyard. ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF MARKUS' PAINTINGS YOU WOULD INSTANTLY BE PROVEN WRONG??? not one of his artworks support this supposed "carefree, easy" life that op is claiming markus experienced: his paintings are dark, they depict feeling trapped and angry, they're drawn with raw and heavy brushstrokes, his art is meant to convey what he was thinking before discovering deviancy. sure, markus might have had a "healthier than most" upbringing when compared to other androids, but that doesn't diminish or erase the fact that he was seen as nothing more than a possession, forbidden from making his own decisions and belittled when he finally took a justified stance on free will from carl himself. (idk, i really hate when people don't understand the importance and/or the most basic foundations of his entire character so i fear i must be a bitter and defensive markus stan until the end of time)